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Tom, you're right, I'm sorry. I had too many browser windows open at once, and commented on the wrong thing. I was, for some reason, still thinking of prediction markets as advisory bodies, where the reputable ones would be extremely unpopular for legislators to ignore. But even that supposes the voting body knows a thing or two about prediction markets and votes rationally. Given how much they understand about stock or commodity markets, that doesn't seem too likely.

My personal belief is that good decisions (for society anyway, not for the 'decider') just aren't made by those in power because the incentives just aren't there. Thats not to say I wouldn't welcome improvements over our current system, of course.

A similar scenario could occur when individuals in a business set up a decision-influencing prediction contract for their own personal gain. The difference seems to be that the owners of the business (and employees seeking their favor) have incentives to oust the fraudsters. I suppose this doesn't help the problem of a futarchy unless it is an anarcho-capitalist one.

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My first thought on your given scenario is that it is unlikely to be a problem in practice. In my opinion, the prediction markets themselves will have strong incentives to police "predatory betting" practices which would drive away market participants.

You say "prediction markets", but the issue isn't about prediction markets. If a market is merely advisory, then there's no harm in incomprehensible issues. Everyone can safely ignore them. But if it has enactment power, that is if some public resource will be given or withheld by rule according to the market's results, that's a whole different ballgame.

You mention three approaches (One was implied but I want to talk about it anyways) I'm uncertain whether they were all intended to apply to futarchy rather than to prediction markets, but let's proceed anyways.

<ol><li>direct policing

The most direct solution. It's equivalent to vesting complete veto power in the policer. And not just veto power: A policing body could submit its own obscure proposals, under the same scenario as before, and simply fail to veto them.

The policer could take many forms, but regardless the form, the policer becomes the true decision mechanism.It could be a body of rules, but (a) then you need to say which rules, (b) if any loophole is discovered, the effect is as if no policer exists, (c) whoever enforces those rules is the true policer.

So this in effect reduces futarchy to an advisory mechanism for the policer; a prediction market.</li>

<li>trust metrics.

Here I'm not at all sure you meant it to apply. Are you saying that otherwise successful proposals should not be enacted if they fail a trust metric? This seems to place the trust metric in the role of policer.</li>

<li>That the proposer must be a reputable market or futures contract creator/manager. (OK, you implied this but I want to discuss it explicitly).

If you give them alone the power to propose, then they alone enact the self-serving proposals and milk those who bet against them.

Why would reputable financial players balk at enacting self-serving proposals? A few people might boycott them for it in protest, but compared to the profit from looting the national treasury it's a small thing.

Here again, I get the impression this was meant to apply only to prediction markets.</li>

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