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Sleep is a red herring, to raise it in this context is essentially to engage in a fallacy of equivocation.

Sleep is definitively unconsciousness only in the sense of not being aware of ones surroundings, while the sort of unconsciousness germane to this issue is the interruption of one's personal thread of experience. Sleep does not necessarily imply unconsciousness of this latter sort--when one wakes up from a dream one suddenly becomes aware of ones surroundings, but one's experience is continuous before and after waking.

It's not even entirely clear that sleep ever involves that sort of unconsciousness at all--in studies even subjects wakened from non-REM sleep often recall perceiving something even if it's not anything terribly distinct. The sense of discontinuity sleep gives rise to could simply be the result of the brain not laying down memories while sleeping, a kind of natural blackout, rather than any actual temporary cessation of experience.

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Hopefully_Anonymous:

Although I found the premise that exponents of a Parfit-like theory of identity lack a theater of consciousness to be absurd, I decided to humor you by reflecting on the experiences engendered by several sensory stimuli immediately available to me, including:

- the redness of a red plastic Glad container lid (a little off from true red, similar to the color of watermelon flesh)- the bumpiness of a textured doorknob as I ran my finger over it- the sharp, but very minor pain of poking my thumbtip with a piece of metal- the coolness of water as I drank it

I also spent some time on attempting to experience qualia unrelated to me personally, including qualia of other people and of my future selves, although having no idea how one would go about this it would more fall under the heading of 'sitting around being confused' than 'an effort'.

My view on personal identity allows for my identifying with- my brain restarted after a prolonged period of inactivity- a sufficiently accurate copy of a future version of my brain (if my original brain remained active, or there was more than one copy made, my *present* self would identify with all of them, although some of them might eventually come not to identify with each other very much)- probably an upload of me, although there remains a slight doubt over whether there might be a meaningful difference between a simulation of a conscious being and a conscious being. However, if a (sufficiently high-quality) upload of me would be a mind at all, I am quite certain that it would be *my* mind.

I am also certain that if being uploaded were ever found to be a mistake it would be a reversible one, at least for a while. While perhaps I would have missed out on some conscious experiences during my time as an upload, a reembodiment (or other adaptation to a suitable substrate) would be able to begin having *my* experiences again, and could even (re?)experience what I missed as memories. I evaluate the chance of there being a difference as less than 5% anyway.

I am fairly certain that had I participated upthread you would have judged me as likely to be lacking in conscious experience, especially since I would have been unlikely to have mentioned a 5% doubt earlier. Yet nonetheless my qualitative experiences exist and are particular to me.

If I had needed any convincing to begin with, I would probably be at least somewhat convinced by now that your theory was false. However, I have no idea how/if any of this will convince you.

I can only assure you that you are being paranoid.

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