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This is explains a lot and I hadn't much internalized it until I read this post awhile back but I have two criticisms.

First, I think people nowadays identify more strongly with their political cluster than their nation. Sure, they don't admit that, so they re-write American history so what's special about America is entirely free-markets and the constitution; or it's entirely about diversity, ellis island, and triumphs over bigotry. But you get my point. Concretely, you can be a fan of Jewish people and still notice that lots of what the USA is proud of and doubling down on today are things that many influential Jewish people see as very important and distinctive about what America should really be proud of.

(The only area that I see almost uniform gut level pride and support - tied very concretely to past victories often involving family members - is with the idea that we saved the world from Nazi's and commies and should keep up that good work.)

Second, is this just a more abstract way of saying that what people believe is deeply informed by how they see their own ancestry? i.e. Irish Catholic Americans tend to be more inspired by the USA Civil Rights narrative than their WASP cousins?

(Also point #2 on finance and banking seems forced. Most people's intuitions have almost always been excessively anti-finance if anything. If policy is too pro-bank that seems better explained by corruption, and sincere - and understandable - precaution about what bad things might happen with a major financial disturbance.)

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Just as a datapoint, I remember a lot of supporters of then-candidate Obama talking about how electing him would "redeem" us in the eyes of the world. Don't hear so much about it now, but they sure seemed to care about it then.

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