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"I concluded from that and other things that what we were selling was credentials, without a lot of effort if you wanted the education for free, you could get it. "

Well, given tests and lab work, your students do have to demonstrate a large amount of learning and applications. And I'll be that not showing up in class is strongly correlated with dropping out/flunking.

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A more pedestrian but more pervasive demonstration of these concepts is the typical structures in pre-university public education. I could not get a job teaching science in a public high school with my PhD in Physics because I lacked an education degree and certification. But I could and did get a job at a reasonably good university where NO ONE was asked to certify or even demonstrate any knowledge, proficiency, or talent in teaching.

Among public school teachers in New York City (and I am pretty sure most other places), you go to take graduate level classes and you get automatically advanced in rank and pay. The credentialism of the public school systems is insanely high, and look what they are selling!

At least they eat their own cooking...

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