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I'm rubber and you're glue.

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I just don't understand why people would think we are simply activated chemicals. There are those here who do believe that and also are offended/puzzled that someone who doesn't believe that would think that there is no reason for an activated-chemical-believer to work towards more "elevated" goals than simply hedonism. "Well *I* think our consciousness is nothing but a meaningless by-product of a meaningless chemical reaction, but I still like to work hard and I want a family," they say, "so it's wrong to assume that a meaningless chemical reaction like a human being can have transcendent goals and aspirations."

The logic seems to be:

Human consciousness is a meaningless chemical reaction.I am a human consciousness.Therefore I am a meaningless chemical reaction.I have deeper interests than hedonism.Therefore meaningless chemical reactions can have deeper interests than hedonism.

I would say your flaw is in thinking that consciousness is a by-product of chemical reactions, and that makes the rest of your argument invalid, but I can't prove to you that you're not just a chemical reaction so I can't disprove that argument.

But on a common-sense basis it seems unreasonable to me to think that something like human consciousness, with such incredibly rich and deep and various thoughts and emotions and ideas and logic and beauty is simply somehow a chemical reaction. As if you could theoretically mix some complex brew of chemicals taken down off a shelf and end up with a Beethoven or a Shakespeare. That simply makes no sense. It is ridiculous on its face. I think it is much harder to believe that there is some aspect of chemical reactions -- generating thought, emotion, and consciousness -- that we simply haven't discovered how to measure in a lab yet than it is to believe that our consciousness, our soul, is something that lives through this life for a purpose and then moves on, or lives many lives and moves on, in an eternal spiraling upward of development and beauty.

I am a human.

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