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If you make the rule "will dismiss any arguments that are even vaguely for eugenics", your time and attention doesn't get attacked by bad actors/ideologues trying to creep up on eugenicist policies via rationalizations. Any loss of value from productive disagreement might be counterbalanced by the gain in personal resources.

To bring this closer to home: suppose a group of people at your university have discovered a compound called KowPis that will make people have powerful spiritual experiences but also cause a really bad toxic reaction in a lot of people. They are trying to lobby for it to be added to the food served in the cafeteria you eat at everyday.

You really don't want this to happen because you don't care about seeing God or whatever it is they claim, and the downsides seem pretty bad. However you see KowPis junkies publishing poorly researched essays arguing that there are no downsides. You see such essays being circulated around. You're not great at figuring out which ones are right or wrong because you're not in the field and it's absurdly complicated. It scares you to hell that these people might convince everyone that there's nothing wrong with the compound and put it in your food. Your best friend Bryan has become a KowPis evangelizer, coming up with clever enough rationalizations to fool the average man, like he did for blackmail. You know deep down it stems from his irrational latent theism, but none of you bring it up because it's considered ad hom.

What do you do? It's eating up all your time to pore over paper after paper on KowPis's effects on health in a subject you have no interest in or talent for. You have to do it anyway because you know only rational argument will save you and many others like you. It seems incredibly unfair that someone can threaten your livelihood if you don't spend time researching their subject. It seems incredibly unfair that you might find perfect refutations, do a checkmate, but still have no one listen to you (like it has happened many times before), and have your frickin' food poisoned.

Or... you can choose to look at these misinformation-mongers for what they are, or rather most of them are, and commit to responding like you would to violence. You can value your time and attention and personal research goals. You don't reason with someone committed to fighting you. If a crowd of such people try to attack, you're not going to stop to reason with some of them because they seem more rational than the rest. It seems fair to blanket-ban all of them.

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If you make the rule "will dismiss any arguments that are even vaguely for eugenics", your time and attention doesn't get attacked by bad actors/ideologues trying to creep up on eugenicist policies via rationalizations. Any loss of value from productive disagreement might be counterbalanced by the gain in personal resources.

To bring this closer to home: suppose a group of people at your university have discovered a compound called KowPis that will make people have powerful spiritual experiences but also cause a really bad toxic reaction in a lot of people. They are trying to lobby for it to be added to the food served in the cafetria you eat at everyday.

You really don't want this to happen because you don't care about seeing God or whatever it is they claim, and the downsides seem pretty bad. However you see KowPis junkies publishing poorly researched essays arguing that there are no downsides. You see such essays being circulated around. You're not great at figuring out which ones are right or wrong because you're not in the field and it's absurdly complicated. It scares you to hell that these people might convince everyone that there's nothing wrong with the compound and put it in your food. Your best friend Bryan has become a KowPis evangelizer, coming up with clever enough rationalizations to fool the average man, like he did for blackmail. You know deep down it stems from his irrational latent theism, but none of you bring it up because it's considered ad hom.

What do you do? It's eating up all your time to pore over paper after paper on KowPis's effects on health in a subject you have no interest in or talent for. You have to do it anyway because you know only rational argument will save you and many others like you. It seems incredibly unfair that someone can threaten your livelihood if you don't spend time researching their subject. It seems incredibly unfair that you might find perfect refutations, do a checkmate, but still have no one listen to you (like it has happened many times before), and have your frickin' food poisoned.

Or... you can choose to look at these misinformation-mongers for what they are, or rather most of them are, and commit to responding like you would to violence. You can value your time and attention and personal research goals. You don't reason with someone committed to fighting you. If a crowd of such people try to attack, you're not going to stop to reason with some of them because they seem more rational than the rest. It seems fair to blanket-ban all of them.

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